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gaydream-believer:

if you wanna understand how Europe works remember that for ages syphilis was known as ‘the French disease’ in Italy, Poland and Germany, ‘the Italian disease’ in France, ‘the Spanish disease’ in Poland, ‘the Polish disease’ in Russia, ‘the Christian disease’ or ‘the Western European disease’ in Turkey, and ‘the British disease’ in Tahiti

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baratheon:

It really boggles my mind that two men looked at asoiaf and said to themselves “you know what this needs? more rape.”

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She touched his face. “I was lost without you, Jaime. I was afraid the Starks would send me your head. I could not have borne that.” She kissed him. A light kiss, the merest brush of her lips on his, but he could feel her tremble as he slid his arms around her. “I am not whole without you.”

margaerytas:

Aside from the show changing a sort-of consensual sex act into rape AGAIN, what pisses me off is the wrong that scene did to both Cersei’s and Jaime’s characters. It doesn’t just piss me off on a basic human level, but also on a writer’s. Jaime literally got his hand cut off to protect a woman from being raped just a season ago, but it’s not Jaime that is done the most wrong. It’s Cersei.

Cersei would never enter into a consensual relationship if she couldn’t be dominant in it. She was raised alongside Jaime, fully realising that he was granted respect and power simply for being a man, while she was expected to be passive and submissive simply for being a woman. She was sold off to Robert Baratheon like an object. She has been used by men all her life, and she has resented that, which we have read and seen on multiple occasions. She would never enter into a relationship with her brother if that meant yet another area of her life being dominated by a man. Jaime and Cersei have a very toxic relationship, but it is Cersei who wields the power in it, not Jaime.

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Game of Daddy Issues

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guileandsubterfuge:

alors-factor:

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jaimelannister:

racefortheironthrone:

stannisisthefury - so according to Alex Graves (source): 

"Well, it becomes consensual by the end, because anything for them ultimately results in a turn-on, especially a power struggle. Nobody really wanted to talk about what was going on between the two characters, so we had a rehearsal that was a blocking rehearsal. And it was very much about the earlier part with Charles (Dance) and the gentle verbal kidnapping of Cersei’s last living son. Nikolaj came in and we just went through one physical progression and digression of what they went through, but also how to do it with only one hand, because it was Nikolaj. By the time you do that and you walk through it, the actors feel comfortable going home to think about it. The only other thing I did was that ordinarily, you rehearse the night before, and I wanted to rehearse that scene four days before, so that we could think about everything. And it worked out really well. That’s one of my favorite scenes I’ve ever done." 

wow. in my opinion this is even more disturbing than the scene itself. this is not just about turning a consensual scene into a rape scene, this is the director NOT EVEN REALIZING he turned it into a rape scene. this is the director talking about a woman saying ‘no stop right now, it’s not right’ repeatedly while crying and trying to fight the other person off while the man thrusts into her saying ‘i don’t care’ and having the nerve to call it consensual, because ‘power struggles are a turn-on for them’, because ‘anything for them results in a turn-on’,  like being turned on by powerplay is making this scene consensual, like being turned on anyway by whatever they do makes this scene consensual. well im sorry to inform you mister director but THERE’S A HUGE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CONSENSUAL SEX AND RAPE AND THE KEYWORD IS CONSENT. AND THERE WASN’T ANY CONSENT IN THIS SCENE.

If they wanted to make it consensual all it would take is one word. A word she SAYS in the books.

THEY HAD ONE JOB!

What bothers me is not only the director thinking it’s consensual but what abt the two leads? Did NCW and Lena not have a) any concerns that it was coming across as rape and/or b) any say in how it was being portrayed? Were they told it was supposed to be noncon? WTF?

I am really disappointed in D&D right now. What were they thinking?

I can’t imagine the two leads were given any coherent instructions and/or motivation for their characters, which is probably why they are both so obviously incredibly uncomfortable with the whole thing. My STRONG preference is to leave the actors out of this. There’s enough blame to go around without them.

honestly I’ve read what NCW says about the scene and I can’t really bring myself to blame him. What is he supposed to do? Tell to the press “OK, this is actually a really straightforward rape which completely fucks up my character’s arc and personal growth and after that I don’t know how Jaime is supposed to receive any sympathy whatsoever by the audience, but the writers obviously think he will and this is what makes them stupid and retarded”

I’d really appreciate him if he said such things out loud but these are the people whom he works for. He can’t openly demolish the writers’ work. They probably instructed him on which stance to take with interviewers and he’s sticking to it. We’ll hear what he really thinks about that scene when he stops working for the HBO.

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I am a bastard girl now. Alayne Stone has no claim.

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guileandsubterfuge:

jaimelannister:

racefortheironthrone:

stannisisthefury - so according to Alex Graves (source): 

"Well, it becomes consensual by the end, because anything for them ultimately results in a turn-on, especially a power struggle. Nobody really wanted to talk about what was going on between the two characters, so we had a rehearsal that was a blocking rehearsal. And it was very much about the earlier part with Charles (Dance) and the gentle verbal kidnapping of Cersei’s last living son. Nikolaj came in and we just went through one physical progression and digression of what they went through, but also how to do it with only one hand, because it was Nikolaj. By the time you do that and you walk through it, the actors feel comfortable going home to think about it. The only other thing I did was that ordinarily, you rehearse the night before, and I wanted to rehearse that scene four days before, so that we could think about everything. And it worked out really well. That’s one of my favorite scenes I’ve ever done." 

wow. in my opinion this is even more disturbing than the scene itself. this is not just about turning a consensual scene into a rape scene, this is the director NOT EVEN REALIZING he turned it into a rape scene. this is the director talking about a woman saying ‘no stop right now, it’s not right’ repeatedly while crying and trying to fight the other person off while the man thrusts into her saying ‘i don’t care’ and having the nerve to call it consensual, because ‘power struggles are a turn-on for them’, because ‘anything for them results in a turn-on’,  like being turned on by powerplay is making this scene consensual, like being turned on anyway by whatever they do makes this scene consensual. well im sorry to inform you mister director but THERE’S A HUGE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CONSENSUAL SEX AND RAPE AND THE KEYWORD IS CONSENT. AND THERE WASN’T ANY CONSENT IN THIS SCENE.

If they wanted to make it consensual all it would take is one word. A word she SAYS in the books.

THEY HAD ONE JOB!

This is the reason why GRRM specifically made Cersei shout “YES” out loud several times and be the one who guides Jaime into her. This scene in the books is really fucked up on many levels, and yes it is a powerplay but it is not intended to be perceived as rape and GRRM made sure no one could perceive it that way. He didn’t explain how it is not rape in interviews. It made it clear ON PAGE it wasn’t rape. D&D skipped that part. They skipped the part in which Cersei gives her consent to sex. But still expect people to perceive it as a consensual scene? WHY DON’T YOU MAKE IT CLEAR IT IS CONSENSUAL ON SCREEN INSTEAD OF SPEWING CONDESCENDING BULLSHIT IN INTERVIEWS ON HOW WE’RE SUPPOSED TO READ THE SCENE???